The Gaming Persona

S2: E39 | We Did the Show for Two Years!!

Daniel A. Kaufmann, Ph.D
Dr. Gameology on Twitch & The Gaming Persona Podcast
Owner of Area of Effect Counseling

The Live Stream Twitch Celebration of the Two Year Gaming Persona Anniversary occurred on September 14th. Join Dr. Gameology (Dr. Daniel Kaufmann), Jenny Lebron, and Gene Wong on a free flowing conversation looking back at Season 2 of the show, favorite moments, and hopes for the next season. Most of all, Continue the Journey!

Thanks to all of our listeners and supporters. We could not have made the show what it has become without the support and interest from all of you.

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Dead By Daylight, Final Fantasy XIV Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Genshin Impact, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Castlevania, Pokémon, Mortal Kombat 2, Fallout 3, Cyberpunk 2077, WWE 2K22, Game Dev Story

 


 

So, Jenny, what are we talking about from the world of video games today?

We decided that we’re talking about why playing games makes our friendships better?

Yeah. I mean, in that moment, Jenny, you had an exorbitant amount of power. You could have made the episode whatever you felt like.

Oh, man, yeah. Well, I’m glad I chose that then.

All right. Why video games? What?

Why video games make friendships better?

So just so everyone knows. That’s basically the outline for every episode. It’s why video games what? We should lean into that because I think that that’s a funny way to understand what our show is. What do you talk about on the show? Why video games? What?

That’s true. Yeah,

The Ordinary World

 I think that’s, I like it. All right. Well, that sounds like a lot of fun. So, let’s go straight into The Ordinary World, and share our everyday life through our games. All right. I really hope both of you played something this week.

I did.

Not counting 8pm today. Okay, fine. Counting 8pm today, Jenny, what did you play this week?

Actually, I played Magic: The Gathering this week. Okay. Yes. So, I played the new set that came out. I don’t remember the name of it. But it was super fun. Because We did a “draft game,” which that format is you get a brand-new box of cards. And then everyone, you pass out all the booster packs, and everyone opens one pack at a time. And then you pick from the pack, your favorite card, or a card that you want to build off of for your deck. And then you pass it around. So yeah, we did that. And it was really fun. I like this set. It’s like very heavy on multicolor decks. And I picked a deck that are the cards that I picked and made my deck with green, blue, and white. And I won three out of my four games.

Wow. So, Jenny, I actually want to give credit to our episode with Adam all the way back at the beginning of our second year. Because you are running off that the colors of the cards are different. I don’t know what the colors mean. But I recognize that that means something which is only because of listening to you and Adam geek out and me not being the expert on that particular episode.

Yeah, yeah, that was a really fun episode. I was very excited to talk about magic in depth. But yeah, that was that’s probably we talked a little bit earlier. about like, we went through all of the episodes this past year, the second season of our podcast, and that one definitely jumped out to me as one of my favorites. The other thing that I played this week was Dead by Daylight.

How did that go for you?

Um, well, I am trash at repairing generators.

Spacebar Jenny, spacebar.

It is very short period of time, and I’m not good with that kind of stuff, especially just already anxious.

What I do is I visualize the SWTOR cutscene. And then is like, hit the spacebar. And then I succeed because I’m awesome at skipping those scenes.

You have lots of practice, you do.

So much story.

So yeah, so I’m terrible at repairing generators. And also, we encountered that toxic strategy that we had an argument about.

And when I didn’t get killed, we killed his strategy. Well, we sacrificed you, Jenny. But yeah. Okay.

He did not understand how to execute the strategy correctly. Like, he only did it twice. Yeah. So, it wasn’t technically the, the strategy because you didn’t continue to do it.

He could have been way more toxic.

Yes, he could have.

But I just want to point out that as soon as he did it to you, you’re like, I don’t know, I think I’m changing my position on this.

Okay, well, now it’s story time. I had a match against pinhead, about a week and a half ago. And I was the only person alive and clearly was not aware of what to do with his cube. So, I had picked up the cube to try to learn how to do the thing you do to cause his powers to fade momentarily or whatever. But he got his mind hooks into me before I could complete it. And there was no one else for him to run after. So, he was just marching next to me. For minutes and minutes and minutes, it seemed to me like about 10 minutes straight of just using his mind hooks, which do zero damage, it just interrupts your attempt to solve the cube and slows down your physical movement. So, it caused the match to be an eternal match. And I don’t remember how the match ended. I guess there’s something that times out in case you do get a toxic killer. But I mean, that person was just really frustrated at like something in life and needed to beat me. Like, I’m his dog or something. It was really sad. And yeah, I’m going to just say that if we were to analyze his dreams, I’m sure all his friends and mom have abandoned him. And “Oh, no, I didn’t!”

Wow, wow. So that was so for people who didn’t listen to that episode, or who don’t know what we’re talking about. When we say toxic strategy. So, the killer can incapacitate you, and stab you or whatever, and then you drop down to the ground, and then you can recover, but you need someone else to help you up. So, once you lay on the ground for a long enough period of time, then you can crawl around towards your people. But he kind of put us both in a place where if you tried to come help me, he would just stab you.

Yeah, I’m looking up the article right now so that I can run through the list one more time of all of those toxic behaviors. And give that to our audience tonight. Live on Twitch! So, this particular there’s face camping, which is where you put a person on a hook and then you just circle them like they are bait. So, you essentially stop pursuing other players and you put them in a situation where they either permanently lose a teammate, or they get the selves killed. There’s also body blocking, which is the same thing, but with a person on the ground. So, they don’t hook you. So, you did to me. Yes, the proper, fair and balanced way for a killer to conduct themselves I’m learning is you knock a survivor down, you pick them up, you put them on a hook, you pursue other survivors, the other survivors can run to unhook them, bandage them up, and then go back to repairing generators. And the killer is supposed to play in a way that’s slightly dumb for them if the goal is just to win. But often you can tell the killers have other goals, like stab people a certain number of times, hook people a certain number of times. So, it doesn’t seem like the killers are always just trying to win. Probably because of the blood point system.

Yeah. And that game lore is that the Spider Entity God enjoys the struggling site of suffering. So, you’re supposed to be putting on a show for the entity by stabbing as many people as you cannot so straight up killing them and ending the show.

I was certain that some of my classes in undergrad were basically my professor is the spider god. Yeah. Oh, no. What if my students think I’m the spider god?

Oh, cool.

Oh, no.

So, we went into a whole Dead by Daylight tangent. Did you guys play any other games this week?

I so this week was my trip to Boston to look for a house so I could only play janky phone games.

Janky phone games?

Yeah, so oh, man. Because I have a Verizon you know, phone plan. So, I just downloaded a whole bunch of random, you know, games and just tried them out. It’s nothing too special.

Well, I think it sounds great. Things on the go.

Yeah. The only game worth mentioning is from the company Cairosoft. It’s called Game Dev Story. It’s like a simulation game where you run a little studio of people making games.

It’s a game about people making games?

Yeah, but it’s over the top and ridiculous like you hire. Like, you can spend a bazillion dollars to hire Steve Jobs to be a staff member like it’s…

Does that include raising Him from the dead?

Well, the game doesn’t – it’s not really Steve Jobs. There’ll be like a weird name change. It’ll be like Steve Hobbs,

Johnny Career.

Yeah. Johnny Career: that was really good.

But it’s not realistic anything. It’s like you pick you pick a game type of have game genre. And then like, who are you going to market the game to? And then you throw a bunch of people with stats like art design and marketing and whatever you just throw like this, these people a bunch of stats. And as something comes out, and hopefully you sell enough copies, the game did not go bankrupt.

That seems accurate. In our chat, by the way, anyone who’s watching this live, please feel free to interject questions and we will answer as many of them and incorporate them into our discussion as we can. And Medullah, you already got one major name drop this evening when I was doing amazing in the match, and I think Thank you for putting up with all the trash games that I’ve played. But Medullah actually recorded the Pinhead suffering match. If I ever wanted to do an analysis or commentary on it, I think I should at least for my own therapeutic value because I’m clearly damaged after experiencing that.

I cut out instead of just quitting the match,

I don’t just quit matches!

I wouldn’t either. I will explode every generator,

I did report the player and I did say I had a one out of five in my enjoyment of the game. So, because Likert scales matter, is there somewhere that you’re reading it? Yeah, at the end of every match: “How much did you enjoy this match?”

The Gaming Persona
The Gaming Persona | Griefing is when a player purposefully torments another player for their own psychological gain. This is related to behaviors which could be considered a form of cyberbullying.

So, I miss all of this stuff.

I will say there is a use to quitting games in this game. And that if everyone leaves the match than the killer ceases to gain points because you know, he didn’t kill anyone. Right? So, you could take advantage that way? I guess.

Do they get the points that they earned earlier in the match before you’re quitting?

It depends on exactly how long the game went? Like if the game if everyone bailed on the game and like the first two minutes or something nothing counts.

I don’t know what it I think it would be great if it took them away like you get no points from anything you did to me and just wasted 40 minutes of your life.

Oh, my dear that maybe has a more accurate answer. Don’t pick anyway. I thought it was so short. No one gets anything.

Interesting. I’m reading the list of all these toxic behaviors. Blinding body blocking face camping hatch, camping, lobby dodging, Rush unhooking sandbagging, slugging text chatting in tea bagging. The act of repeatedly crouching that’s tea bagging. There’s this nice toxicity diagram to that explains how high highly toxic or low toxic and whether it’s a killer or a survivor behavior. Oh, man, I love the science of this game so much.

All right, maybe that’ll be there’s definitely some behaviors that is trolling, but have no game impact, like teabag doesn’t actually do anything. It just makes me feel bad.

Yeah, yeah. So, in terms of games that I’ve played, I’ve played Final Fantasy 14. I’m leveling up my Weaver to get that first crafting class I’ve ever done to 90 I’m at 87 right now. And my dancer I think, is 85 or 86. So I’m leveling things. I’m also trying to do the expert roulette enough to get some more current gear for my black mage, because I want to be more powerful and go boom. And so that’s fun. I had a really good stream night on Sunday returning to stream life and I enjoyed it a lot. I also have been playing The Witcher and WWE 2k 22 and I purchased cyberpunk 2077 and have not played it yet but it’s on my hard drive. And I downloaded Genshin Impact this afternoon just to have and see what that’s about because I think there’s a lot of things that could make videos around with that game.

How is the WWE games nowadays? I hear I know they’ve been bad for a while.

No, 2K22 came back in a big way. I had 2k20, and I totally see all the faults that people had had observed in that game. The one thing I will say is 2K20s roster is probably the best wrestling roster of all time. I really miss The Fiend Bray Wyatt in 2K22 so badly. The only way you can use that character is downloading it out of community creations. But the Creation Suite in that game is pretty much infinite, you know, very, very good opportunity to create people that belong to other promotions, like AEW. So, I enjoy it a lot. The My Faction system is what I usually do, it has a daily login and you get cards and level them up by doing your move sets a certain way. It’s very grindy. It does a lot of things that I enjoy and gives me random matches to win. One of the things that’s really weird is I don’t like picking my matches and setting them up, I just want to go somewhere that says, you have a ladder match with Johnny Gargano. And it’s like, Okay, I will beat up Johnny Gargano. Why? I don’t need a why, I just want the game to throw matches at me and give me reasons to win them, which is make my wrestler roster better. So, all that grindy stuff that we talked about last month is in this wrestling experience. So, all right. Yeah. That’s really where I’m at. We’ve covered all of our games. So, what should our next segment even be? Because we’re not doing a research study today.

Finding Our Allies

Finding Our Allies since we’re talking about friendship.

… because it’s too dangerous to go alone. So out of all the games we listed, did any of us play anything with other people I did with Final Fantasy. Did either of you?

Yeah, I played Magic: the Gathering with my boyfriend and bunch of his friends.

Okay,

Not me unless we’re counting Dead By Daylight.

Oh, well, let’s count Dead by Daylight. So yeah, I had a lot of fun streaming that, I think. So, with me, you know, it’s on my stream channel. And at the very beginning of the first match, I did talk a lot. And the two of you were talking about the match. And I was talking about the podcast, that was probably weird. But once we got into better maps, that are less terrifying than the Raccoon City Police Department, I felt really comfortable streaming the game. And yeah, I thought that was a fun dynamic to have the two of you in there with me on the on this screen and see the match in that way. That was cool.

Yeah, it’s definitely too I experienced this at last year’s anniversary stream. I think it’s really hard for me to pay attention to chat. And like focus on what we’re supposed to talk about the same time, even when we play games, like when we did our Mortal Kombat episode. Yeah, it’s challenging for me to keep talking while I’m playing.

Yeah, we did a test stream about six months ago with Final Fantasy where we didn’t use it as an episode. But the idea was, if it’s good, we might. And I thought it was pretty fun to rewatch it the next day. But there were sometimes where both of us so it’s a shared responsibility here. Both of us were just like, play the dungeon. It’s like “Oh no, we’re doing The Gaming Persona.” So that’s why we didn’t use it as an episode.

Yeah. Yeah.

I did the panel at PAX West had a few people after the panel, talk about what games have done for them. And then we did Nerd Night, had a bunch of people after that presentation, come up and ask me some questions. So, I hung back, if you remember Jenny, for about five minutes or so to talk to a bunch of people who were patiently waiting to end. The second talk of the night. Oh, my gosh, I have to tell her I’m going to brag to all The Gaming Persona listeners. You thought I carry a conversation on forever and have no regard for people’s time. I nailed the Nerd Night talk. I ended between 20 and 25 minutes, it turns out, he was supposed to be 15. You knew that was going to happen? Guy who followed me up took an hour and five.

That host did not care to interject?

Oh, he loved all of it. He would never cut us off. It’s probably just up to the venue. And there were parts of that 65-minute talk that I did find interesting. So, it wasn’t bad. It was just longer than a House of the Dragons episode. Is anyone else watching House of the Dragons?

I am yeah.

Okay. Do you like it? And why is it so amazing?

I do. I really do like it. The last episode, the most recent one was a little bit slow for me and weird. I’m sure when people watch it. I think it was episode four. Or three. Yeah, but yeah, it was weird. That’s what I’ll say about it.

It is exactly what Game of Thrones puts on the table. Or any other surface where people can lay on?

Yeah, yes, yes. Yes, indeed. But it wasn’t just that for me. It was just it was kind of a slow episode. But you know, we’ll see what happens. I’m still I’m still very much intrigued by the show.

Oh, I love it. Matt Smith is formerly the 11th Doctor, the doctor when I decided to start school to get a PhD. I love him forever. And there is nothing he can do in that show that will make me dislike him. Well, I don’t like his character, but I can see through his character and it’s just like, that’s Matt Smith.

I wasted my life and watched Morbius

Oh, what did you think Gene?

Matt Smith is the only thing that makes that movie. Not? Well, I don’t know. There’s nothing else to that movie besides him. Everything else is total garbage.

Yeah, but all the things with his character incredibly predictable. You see it? I felt like the entire thing. You saw it coming from a mile away. Everything was pretty clear in that movie as far as the way of life in that kind of world. I don’t know. I guess the point of things is not always to be surprised.

Yeah. I’ve never seen this movie.

If, like if Matt Smith wasn’t in the movie, it would be. I don’t think they would have aired the movie.

I don’t know. Jared Leto did what he was supposed to do.

Not be a convincing vampire at all.

What? What was wrong with him as a vampire?

He has no mystique at all.

Basically, he just became a vampire during the movie

Yet Matt Smith, who all it was a vampire for less time. And then Jared Leto was a cooler vampire than he was.

He was living the life of a vampire his whole life. He just wasn’t a vampire.

Okay.

Oh, no. Speaking of vampires, I did go into researching Castlevania for a segment of my 11th Chapter of my book, which I started writing this week, so we’re closing in actually on 180 consecutive days of progress. On the book six months, it really blows my mind to think about the fact that it feels much longer. So the idea that I wasn’t doing this in February doesn’t make sense to me. But I apparently wasn’t. So we’re now at the point chapter wise, where more chapters are done than I have left to right. How cool is that? But Castlevania is going to have a little spot to shine in a couple of pages from now. So, I started looking at the NES entry, or first the first entry. And then I want to compare that with a couple more modernized takes on it. And then we’re going to be talking about heroes that have to go into a dark, dark place. So that’s going to be fun. Oh, so in talking with all the people, after these public speaking opportunities, there have been a lot of people that talk about how games connect them with other people. So, things like Pokémon, convincing players to trade. And I remember this happening, I brought my Gameboy to school when I was in eighth grade, so that I could trade a Kadabra to someone, which would trigger its evolution to become Alakazam. And then they would trade it back to me so that I have an hour exam instead of a Kadabra. And these are people that were sitting right behind me and right diagonal for me. So, you know, my shoulders were right next to their deaths every day. But I probably would have never talked to either of these two kids, if it wasn’t for Pokémon. And I remember talking to them quite a bit after we made that trade. And so, it’s things like that. That’s my own personal story, but its people sharing how that wasn’t just something that happened for me. So, games became the connective thread between people that wouldn’t have been connected at all.

The Gaming Persona
The Gaming Persona | The method of evolving Kadabra into Alakazam in the Pokémon games occurs by trading with another human player. This can be an early challenge to build social skills and negotiation abilities for young players.

Yeah, have a similar story, but it didn’t end out as good as this as your story. There were we my brother and I collected the cards. We never played the game. We just collected the cards. There were these kids in our neighborhood that we didn’t really play with that often. But, you know, Pokémon was like, collecting Pokémon cards was like a big thing at that time. So, um, I guess my brother was talking about on the bus or I don’t know how it came about, but we ended up hanging out and they wanted to see our Pokémon collection. And so, they came over and that was like, the first time they ever came over to our house to play. Um, so my brother was like, showing them as Pokémon binder. They were going through the cards, and they ended up stealing some of his cards. Oh, yeah. And he didn’t notice because it’s not like he thought they would do that. So, they left and then he realized it and then we tried to get them back, but we never did.

Okay, wow.

So that was like Toxic Behavior – 101, I guess?

Yeah. My son actually learned that people can steal your stuff via Pokémon. Also, yeah. So, you know, I got to talk with him about that and the honesty of people and the “haves and the have nots” sometimes motivates people to want something instead of getting it a more legitimate way. Yeah, so yeah, it’s sad.

Yeah, we were pretty pissed.

Because of games, you can have friends that steal from you.

Yeah, we actually never recovered from that. And I never spoke to them again, in a nice way at least.

I’m so naive though. I had a friend in low elementary school, I don’t remember. So, let’s just say second grade. That sounds like around that time. So, I stayed over, and then had some activities with my friend’s family that next day. And so, I brought games over. He had his games. And when I was getting ready to go home at the end of all the things the next day, I couldn’t find my game, which was Mortal Kombat 2, which if you’ve been listening to some of our episodes, me not being able to find Mortal Kombat 2 is a thing. We found it, we found it inside the box of one of his games. And he just said, “Oh, someone must, you know, someone must have put it in the wrong box just to keep the room clean.” I’ve come to realize as an adult, “holy crap, my best friend tried to steal Mortal Kombat 2 from me.” But I didn’t realize it when I was seven. I just thought, “oh, yeah, makes sense. Silly mistake. Glad we found it. See you on Monday.” Oh, man. Wow. So, video games, bring friends together, as turned into video games reveal whichever your friends are kleptomaniac fans?

Exactly. Video games reveal who your real friends are?

That’s it.

Really a nice little. It ties everything in together?

Yeah, that’s what happens with Live episodes, too. Right? You don’t, you don’t really know what you’re going to end up talking about. So, I’ve been looking at the chat. I’ve been typing a few things here and there to show that I see it. And that I agree that Matt Smith is amazing. I will just give the chat a few more minutes. If there’s any questions, they want to ask us about the psychology of games or about how the second year of the gaming persona played out. So, I’m going to start with, you know, kind of recap some of the things that we talked about during the Dead by Daylight part of the evening. Gene, you’ve done about 7 episodes with us? So, what are some of the things that you like about the mission, this show aspires towards every week?

I mean, I do like that, you know, the show? Does what it can to educate me. Well, yeah, I know that we can only take so far into a particular research paper given the length of our show. But I think it does, you know, an effort, and at least I hear and learning something. So, I’m assuming some of our listeners are still learning something.

I hope so. Oh, my gosh, five-star review. I haven’t really learned anything but good job at three episodes. Gene a year from now, we’re still going to be doing this. What do you hope has happened or that we’re doing that would be an improvement or a sign of growth.

Up hope that we eventually find a format that is really optimal. Because I know some of it’s very far, we just throw it together and it’s fine. But I hope one day we find a real format. Solid.

I hope one day you find a tagline.

Oh snap. Yeah, like the monomyth is not a good enough format for Gene Wong. Shara has posted in the chat that he enjoys seeing the growth in our show. So, and also we’re really seeing the savage powers come out of you Jenny.

Since I’ve been on the show, we’ve tooled the format a little bit each time. Yeah, I think it’s just getting gradually there.

Yeah, I really feel like if we want to solve this, we just need to do is have a 30-minute phone call on a day that’s not Wednesday and lock it in.  

Well, no, I was going to say anytime you add an extra person to a show that’s been that has been going on for a while with only two people. There are growing pains. I don’t think it’s anything that’s really that serious or even noticeable to some people.

So, there are sometimes where I have a vision for a certain segments like that’s five minutes. And then when I’m doing the timestamps in the episode for when the segments transition. It’s like, why is this segment? 35 minutes? Oh, no. And then I look at the transcript and I’m like, Yeah, my bad.

Got the bars for each sound file.

So, now we’re, we’re transcribing the episode for the website every week. And it gives me the percentage of how much of the episode each of us talked. And it really makes me realize that my number is always going to be bigger because of the format unless I start giving someone else the responsibility to do that. And then I just have an episode where I challenged myself to just respond to people and not run it. But sometime, that’s actually how I realized some technical difficulties happened because it was like, a week where the percentages were just way off. It said that I talked for 90% of the episode or something. I was like, that’s not true. Okay, so, Jenny, what do you think has been some of the greatest things the show’s accomplished in year two?

Um, I think just the amount of guests that we’ve been able to bring on has been really awesome. I remember having a, I remember, we guest starred on Working Class Nerds. And he asked us like, what do we hope for the future of The Gaming Persona, and we hadn’t really had any guests on except for him, Marcus. And I remember being like, “I really hope that we get to interview people and get some other perspectives on the show.” And I feel like we’ve done that a lot in this past year. And it’s been really, really fun.

Yeah, I actually have a few other people that are sort of discussing scheduling with me should be pretty good. So, we’re going to continue to do that. And I really enjoy that as well. It also is really good for networking when I get to go out into the wilderness and do things like PAX or the Comic Cons at different places, or Fan Expos. Because some of these people are going to have memories of when they did our podcast, which is going to make it a cooler thing when we crossed paths in real life. And it didn’t work out. But we actually have been putting in presentations beyond our Florida borders to try to do Gaming Persona stuff at some bigger events, and it’s only a matter of time. Jenny and I gained our breakthrough into Central Florida Comic Con, and Megacon. And I got to do Megacon two ways, because I also had Geek Therapeutics, but we had The Gaming Persona panel on Final Fantasy 14, as well. So, I think that there’s been so much growth in different ways.

That was a highlight for me this past year.

And Jenny, I remember conversations back when we were coworkers at the Imperial Academy, and you use to have no interest at all in public speaking. And, honestly, I mean this from the bottom of my heart, when we’re on a panel and there’s other people, you are not just better than the worst. You are better than people that should be doing okay. Okay, so basically any hang up you have about how you do in front of a live audience. It’s just psychological.

Thanks. I was so nervous do Central Florida Comic Con. That was our first one. And by the time we got to Megacon, I was like, “Oh, this was fine.”

You rocked it at Megacon! And your answers were on topic and really thoughtful at both panels. And I came out of both of those thinking that . . . you did this last week in our episode, which has not been released yet, because we’re on a 10-day edit cycle. But you nailed something where I didn’t even run it by you. And you just you drop the psychological bomb. And I see those things happening. And it’s just so cool. To see how doing this every week has helped this to become a part of who you are, too.

Oh, I appreciate all the encouragement.

What do you hope that we are able to do that isn’t happening yet? By the end of year three?

Um, ComiCon New York. 2023.

Wow.

I love that energy. All right. But let’s not pretend the elephant in the room is not holding a sign that says “Better do something great, Doc.” Because, you know, New York Comic Con is hard to get into.

Yeah, but I think we will.

Yeah, eventually we will. Because you know, I think this is something I’ve been thinking about, the longer my writing streak goes, is, I don’t know what everything that we do is going to look like when the book is done. And people can actually purchase it and read it and say things to me about it. So that’s what I’m looking forward to the most actually is, you know, what episodes do we do about what I wrote? You know, how does this change the format of our show? The format of our show is the biggest spoiler about what it is I’m writing Yeah. Oh, great. So, we now have a clip of me saying Jenny’s doing great. I’m sure that that’s going to characterize me in a wonderful way.

I can’t wait to see it.

I was saying…

I understood what you were saying. I didn’t take it that way. But it did sound like it.

You were out shining people. That’s what I should just left it at that. Thank you. I feel like a floundering survivor hanging on a hook with no friends.

Find help.

They’re all dead and that’s what Dead by Daylight teaches me. All right. Well, okay. So, I think it’s, you know, the show has grown. We did roughly equivalent work in year one and year two. So, two years in. 83 episodes recorded. 1000s of downloads. 1000s of complete listens from beginning to end in our, in our statistical review of our impact. You know, every continent has downloads except for Antarctica. Darn.

Yeah, we’ll get them one day.

Yeah. You know, it’s just really cool to get to talk to people who actually have heard the show that’s happened a few times. In the Geek Therapeutics community, and different groups of people I’ve come across, and just the idea that video games are a place where we express ourselves can find the very best abilities that we have as people and learn how to use them. And then my challenge to people is to bring it out here and use it to be your very best. So we’re going to keep doing that. And you know, maybe next time we do an episode, maybe we should do episodes like this more often. I don’t even know. It’s probably just wait and see. Do either of you have anything else to add?

No, I’m good. Yeah, that was good.

That was great. I think where I was a year ago versus where I am now. It’s so different in terms of my comfort level, speaking to our audience, so I don’t I’m excited to see where I am a year from now.

Yeah, yeah. And Shara, who is completely unbiased, all he does is mod my channel doesn’t particularly like me so we can trust his opinion, says that we 1,000,000% should do more episodes like this. So, all right, good. By the way, I think he does have a really good friendship with me. So, I lied on The Gaming Persona. Okay, well, thank you everyone in the chat who hung out with us all the way through the evening. I’m going to give you all a shout out the best that I can. So, we have sharas_bloopers, we have our Alisaedra, Celphh, AnimeGurl278. Doritos95000. Thank you so much for hanging out with us on our two-year anniversary stream featuring Dead by Daylight.

 Yeah, thanks to Celphh for the five gifted subs!

Absolutely. Thank you so much. I might my channel greatly appreciates that for work reasons. I disappeared for a little bit. And you know, you disappear, and your subs are like, “Forget that guy.” So, it’s helping me rebuild. Yeah, thank you so much. And yeah, that’s an episode! Episode 83. And the final quest for all of you to accept today is keep going strong. Get off the hook. And Continue the Journey.

See you next week.

Yep, it’s been fun.

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Kaufmann, D. A. (2022). Learning to Be the Very Best: The Trainer’s Journey. In Bean, A. M. (Eds.), The Psychology of Pokémon (259-279). Leyline Publishing, Inc.

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